Wireless Firmware 10.x

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Hi

Do we have a release date for the new version 10 firmware for the wireless appliances?

Thx
Andre
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I'd like to add another question to the topic... will all controller models that currently run v9 also support v10 or is there one that is EoS in v10 ?
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The target release date is December 18th.  The current shipping controllers as well as the C4110 and C5110 will be supported with V10.01.  However, neither the 2600 nor the 3600 Series APs will be supported with V10.01.  V9.21 will be the last supported release of those legacy APs until they reach end-of-service life.


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Will

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Hi Will
Thank you for the feedback.....
So no support for any of the 36xx series??

We have a few clients that is running more than 600 AP's of which 40% is still 36xx series AP's, the remaining 60% is a combo of 37xx and 38xx AP's. They will never be able to deploy the new 39xx series unless they make a huge investment.........
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No, there will be no support for the 3600 Series.  You can still run a mixed environment but your 3600 Series will have to be homed to a V9.21 controller.  If you are using a centralized deployment your mobility domain can include V9.21 and V10.01 controllers ensuring transparent roaming across the mixed environment.  Although it doesn't seem like it, removing support for older platforms is for the benefit of our customers, allowing us to move quicker to meet their growing needs for more bandwidth hungry applications as well as providing them more visibility and control over their network.

Sincerely,


Will  

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Looks like Extreme milked the 36xx line too long.  If the 36xxs  can't co-exist on the same controllers with the newer WAPs,  that means we are maintaining and  troubleshooting two completely different wireless systems.  
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WS-AP3610 DUAL 802.11A/B/G/N INDOOR INT ANTENNA DUAL 802.11A/B/G/N INDOOR INT ANTENNA 12/31/2014 03/31/2020    Guess extreme is confused too.
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Well, well, well... Extreme, where is the trade-in program to "update" all legacy AP?
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@Curtis
Why should V10 not support the ASIC/hardware on AP36xx series any longer? Does it include a brand new Linux kernel, where the driver was removed? I don ́t think so. What is "V10" than a V9 with some enhancements added? It ́s not a completely new written Wifi Controller Software. If one of those new features isn ́t supported on AP36xx, don ́t activate it... Is it really that hard? So, please Extremenetworks, Keep your existing customers happy.
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We have over 900 36xx APs. Are plan was to slowly phase in 39xx wave 2 APs over the next few years. It would be a waste to continue with 37xx and 38xx models.

I don't want to run multiple controllers in different versions.

So my choice is either to essentially run a second wireless system or dump money into already obsolete APs?
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"One question though: When I upgrade all my c4110 to V10, will my AP3610 stop working?"

Yes, or to be more precise - the APs are not able to register on the controller if they are not supported.
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Really bad news for some of our biggest customers running many 36xx's APs. Some of them decided to switch from the C4110 controllers to V2110 to be more future-proof on the controller side and now they can't update to V10, because the AP36xx's will be not supported.

There are several usecases where wireless infructure nearly have to work 24x7 and even the ap exchange to a newer model would be challenging. Longterm support for the APs was one of the biggest selling aguments compared to other enterprise wireless competitors in the past.  The new situation would cause some of our customers to think about there network strategy.

The idea to switch of unsupported new V10 features for the 36xx's like for the 26xx's in past would be a better alternative. This would add 4 years more lifetime for large scale 36xx's installations till they reach there well known EoL in 03/31/2020.
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We have 569 APs (AP3605) with 2 controllers (C5210 and C5110-2) in our second year of use.
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My personal roadmap was also to wait for new 802.11ac (wave 2) access points for new buildings and not to buy any 37xx or 38xx devices any longer. So for running 39xx I need V10, for running 36xx I need V9. Therefore I have to buy and support new ExtremeNetwork controllers? I currently don ́t think I ́ll do so.
As Hartmut Sachse already pointed out,  a main selling point for Enterasys was to have a long term support in contrast to some other major vendors. Therefore I really like to see some basic V10 support for AP36xx series access points. Switch of unsupported features on AP36xx devices like you currently already do (i.e.: Radio Management (11k) support for 37xx and 38xx only), but let them be compatible with current software.
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So software version 10.01.01.0129 is now available. I have the support contract, I can request the licenses for my C4110 controllers but I cannot use them because of the AP36xx devices:

Legacy AP26XX, AP36XX, AP4102 Series access points are not supported with V10.01 or later, however, these legacy APs will continue to be supported in maintenance mode only with V9.21 until they reach End-of-Support.

The decision to drop AP36xx devices in V.10 is final, right?

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Yes, V10 does not support the 2600 nor 3600 Series.  As I mentioned a few weeks ago you have a couple of options to expand your 2600/3600 network using 3700 or 3800 with V9.21 or you can work with one of our Partners and/or Extreme Sales representative to upgrade your legacy platforms to one of the newer platforms including the new 3900 Series Wave 2 APs.
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This is really a disappoiting decission from ExtremeNetworks and forces us to think about our strategy for WLAN environment from Extreme in future.
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What is the best practice from Extreme supporting 36xx with 39xx? 
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One controller for the "old" APs and one controller for the rest.
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And presumably using Wireless Manager to keep configs in sync across both. Is there a good real-world guide to using Wireless Manager? I find it a lot harder to use than just the EWC web interface.
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What if I need to coexist 36xx with 39xx? meaning in the same location 3610's will be within range of 39xx, I assume we can setup a mobility domain, but will that cause any issues?  Will roaming work?
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The response I got from GTAC:
Our recommendation is to place each site wholly within one controller pair or the other and not to mix APs from both pairs within the same site. Meaning a site should contain either v9 supported ap's or v10 supported ap's and not to mix them.

That's a bummer.  I had to bring a location up with existing 3610's (70) and another portion of the same location with 3935's (12)  I just turned down the signal so they didn't hear each other, but this location will be all 3935's soon, so if there are problems we can live through them. This is kind of forcing us to update faster rather than a slow phase in approach.
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Would it be possible to setup the following:

- Upgrade the wifi controller pairs to V10
- Run the the 37xx, 38xx and 39xx with the controller

Next step: "Outsourcing" the management of AP36xx, i.e.:
- Convert the AP3610 to AP3630 using the standalone firmware
- Managing the standalone access points with SSH / CLI
- But still reusing the CAPWAP tunnel between the access points and the controller

Btw, will there be any V9 standalone software for AP3630?
Unfortunately I cannot download the standalone firmware for AP3610 (just for testing), as I only have a contract for the wifi controllers. Who can I contact to access the firmware?
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The standalone AP3630 doesn't use CAPWAP - so no, that is not possible,

Also as soon as you upgrade the controller to V10 all AP26xx/36xx are gone from the controller database as the AP type is no longer supported and the configuration is rejected during the config import after the upgrade.