topic RE: Use any controller for 10 Ap 7161 vs 5 Ap 7562 in ExtremeWireless (WiNG)

Use any controller for 10 Ap 7161 vs 5 Ap 7562

Tuan_Nguyen — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 10:29:00 GMT

Hi everybody

I have 10 Ap7161 and 5 Ap7562 use wing 5.8, What controller do I have to use?

Thank you

RE: Use any controller for 10 Ap 7161 vs 5 Ap 7562

Ondrej_Lepa — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 11:35:00 GMT

Hi Tuan,

In general every controller will do - usually it is scaling and advanced features what differs.
If you do not tunnel VLANs, you could use i.e. VX9000 as an cost effective way to adopt all APs.

Regards,
Ondrej

RE: Use any controller for 10 Ap 7161 vs 5 Ap 7562

Tuan_Nguyen — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 11:35:00 GMT

Thank you

You have demo VX9000 for wing 5.8.6? How many devices can the demo allow?

RE: Use any controller for 10 Ap 7161 vs 5 Ap 7562

Ondrej_Lepa — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 11:35:00 GMT

Hello,

VX9000 DEMO shall be available for partners under this link
If you do not have access to VX9000 please reach your reseller / distributor.

Demo can handle up to 64 devices for limited period of time.
Full installation includes also 64 licenses, but requires appliance license.

Regards,
Ondrej

RE: Use any controller for 10 Ap 7161 vs 5 Ap 7562

Tuan_Nguyen — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 11:35:00 GMT

Hi you

Unfortunately the demo only VX9000_DEMO_WiNG_v5.8.5, I used Wing 5.8.6.
I'm confused between use RFS6000 or VX9000, I'm not professional.

Regards,

RE: Use any controller for 10 Ap 7161 vs 5 Ap 7562

Ondrej_Lepa — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 11:35:00 GMT

Take a look to our Product page for more details

Regards,
Ondrej

RE: Use any controller for 10 Ap 7161 vs 5 Ap 7562

Tuan_Nguyen — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 11:35:00 GMT

It looks like RFS6000 end of sales, Is it replaced by any other product?

RE: Use any controller for 10 Ap 7161 vs 5 Ap 7562

Steven_Lin — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 11:35:00 GMT

RFS6000 end of sale at 11/2016, from the hardware performance respective, NX5500 is close to RFS6000. Below is the data sheet for NX5500 and VX9000
https://kapost-files-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/kapost/55ba7c9e07003d9aab000394/studio/content/581cbe296f...
https://cloud.kapostcontent.net/pub/0446ba38-008d-46dc-ba6f-bd5a8fb82074/vx-9000-data-sheet.pdf

RE: Use any controller for 10 Ap 7161 vs 5 Ap 7562

Tuan_Nguyen — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 11:35:00 GMT

If I do not use the controller, roaming when the client moves between different APs (7161 vs 7562) will lose the connection?

Thanks

RE: Use any controller for 10 Ap 7161 vs 5 Ap 7562

Christoph_S — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 11:35:00 GMT

Hello Tuan,

For this deployment size you might also want to look at the RFS4000: https://cloud.kapostcontent.net/pub/6df18969-455c-403d-942e-885e210d861b/rfs-4000-data-sheet.pdf?kui...

If you are looking for a hardware controller then your options would be either the NX5500 or RFS4000.

In regards to your roaming question, there are 2 scenarios to consider as follows:

1 - All APs are in the same broadcast domain (layer 2): Roaming will be seamless between APs (no dropped connections) in the absence of a controller.

2 - APs are in different broadcast domains on a routed network (layer 3): There will be a slight disconnect when roaming between APs in different broadcast domains in the absence of a controller. In this case a controller is needed should seamless roaming be a requirement.

Regards,

Chris

RE: Use any controller for 10 Ap 7161 vs 5 Ap 7562

Steven_Lin — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 11:35:00 GMT

If you are using VC, then VC will in charge of the roaming, but I never try 7161 work with 7562 before because of 7161 is really old product.

RE: Use any controller for 10 Ap 7161 vs 5 Ap 7562

Christoph_S — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 11:35:00 GMT

The downside to a VC in this case is that as of today, it cannot adopt dissimilar APs. The VC will not resolve the roaming disconnect issue on a routed network. A hardware controller is required. Here's some information on VC adoption on a routed network:
https://gtacknowledge.extremenetworks.com/articles/Solution/Not-able-to-adopt-WiNG-Express-APs-to-a-...

RE: Use any controller for 10 Ap 7161 vs 5 Ap 7562

Timo1 — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 11:35:00 GMT

Any plans to change this like Aruba? Adopt different kind of APs works with Aruba Instant. What changed is the problem of one AP have the configuration and not all:

Dynamic VC – Provides redundancy in the case of VC (AP) failure. Dynamic VC enables an AP to take on the role of VC when it is elected as RF-domain manager. Supports explicit secondary IP address configuration for seamless management access.
This works with WiNG 5.9.0.

RE: Use any controller for 10 Ap 7161 vs 5 Ap 7562

Alona — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 21:39:00 GMT

For 15 APs you don't need more than one domain. Roaming between Aps will work flawlessly.

RE: Use any controller for 10 Ap 7161 vs 5 Ap 7562

Tuan_Nguyen — Sat, 08 Jul 2017 06:37:00 GMT

Dear all
Thanks for supporting me, as Christoph Saade said All APs are in the same broadcast domain, I have configured for Ap7562 same Ap7161 and I need use wifi in a wide area and the roaming is smooth.
So do I need to use a controller?

Regards

RE: Use any controller for 10 Ap 7161 vs 5 Ap 7562

Christoph_S — Sat, 08 Jul 2017 06:37:00 GMT

Hello Tuan,

in this scenario, a controller is not an absolute must for roaming between APs to be seamless. It would be used for ease of management of said APs if so inclined.

Regards,