Bit more, its seems there maybe a bug in 5.8.5, when you look at the context for the radius server its configured, and looks like its running, but when you sh the radius server stats its not running, and any connection comes back with "No response from radiusd " This may also explain why I could never get conneted to the captive portal, when I was trying to set one up, I could get the web page and the login detais etc but just would not connect - This was a while a ago and just me seeing how it worked