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General question about throughput and ping ms.

General question about throughput and ping ms.

Eric_Ashton
New Contributor II
What is the normal throughput for 2.4ghz with Extreme APs and with 5 ghz? We have users complaining of slow wifi speeds and computers on the wifi are substantially slower than wired users. Currently we are getting 35-40 mbps with iperf test when on 2.4ghz. For some reason this test could drop down to 10 on certain tests. While on 5ghz we are right around 70mbps.

Are these normal numbers?
Also while pinging from a wired PC to a Wireless device we will get alot of high ms pings then it will level out and then spike again. Is this normal behavior?

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Tomasz
Valued Contributor II
Amazing article, Gareth!

Remember Eric, AP throughput is not real:
- "marketing" throughput is aggregated for both radios, e.g. 1,75 Gbps for 11ac Wave 1 is 450 Mbps for 2.4 GHz and 1,3 Gbps for 5 GHz; so at best you could get 1,3 Gbps (BTW that's why some push you to buy double-port APs or 2.5 G interface switches), but...
- 802.11 MAC layer overhead, beacons and retransmissions and everything else - this reduces your throughput; it can eat about 50% of PHY throughput as mentioned (we go down to around 650 Mbps here);
- AP throughput is for full utilization of it's antennas; if the AP is 3x3:3 and your device is 2x2:2 for example, you can get two third of performance at most (despite the data rate might show some high PHY based on RF signal quality);
- same applies to channel width (20/40/80 MHz); mcsindex.com is a good point to see what PHY data rates are possible with different MIMO and channel widths for different 802.11 ammendments (then signal strength based on device sensitivity and SNR will imply actual data rate for AP-STA communication);
- in the end, all APs and STAs that talk on the same or adjacent channel interfere, so it drops your throughput even more; WiFi channel is one big collision domain with no option for collision detection so far (just CSMA/CA) so when two devices happen to talk at the same time, both might have their signals falsified.

From what you say, maybe it would be good to seek for interference (ACI/CCI) on 2.4 GHz. To many APs on the same/adjacent channel? 3rd pty SSIDs on the same/adjacent channel? Other 2.4 GHz devices with heavy blow (microwave, BT, sensors)? Too many clients on the same/adjacent channel? Perhaps the APs power is too high and with your environment they could have CCI on tens/hundreds of meters? Maybe your channel re-use plan for 2.4 GHz could be finetuned? If you are able, push dual-band clients to 5 GHz.
Those are basics, greatly enahnced within the article Gareth linked here.

Besides, IMHO AP throughput shouldn't be critical if it can reach around 20-30 Mbps per client. Unless you are doing some file transfer or multimedia streaming, typical office traffic is rather of hundreds of kbps per client on average.

My personal best so far was 200 Mbps with 2x2 Intel WLAN card on my PC (867 Mbps PHY), 11ac Wave 2 AP, 5 GHz, 5-7 meters away, conference room with small to none RF footprint around and no other clients connected. I don't remember the channel width unfortunately. I will check tomorrow in our office where I get great data rates, for the sake of curiosity.

Hope that helps,
Tomasz

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Ronald_Dvorak
Honored Contributor
You could also set the ssh timeout to 0 on the AP so you don't get kicked out of the session.

cset sshTimeout 0

capply

csave

Ronald_Dvorak
Honored Contributor
Yes but there are some requirements...

- AP model = AFAIK only AP39xx have iperf3 installed
- the wirless client must be able to reach the AP IP = the best is to setup a SSID with bridge@AP untagged so both are in the same subnet

Then ssh to the AP and switch in the /usr/bin directory and start the iperf server with "iperf3 -s"
Now you'd need a iperf3 app on the client and start the iperf-client to run the test.

Example below - hardware AP3915i and Amazon Fire D10

AP:

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Amazon Fire HD10:

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Eric_Ashton
New Contributor II
Thanks for the reply everyone. As far as config goes we set our channels based on site survey so they are all staggered, sitting at 20 mhz channel width, the APs are AP3825i, latest firmware. I basically copied config from this doc.

https://extremenetworks2com.sharepoint.com/:x:/r/sites/kcs/_layouts/15/WopiFrame.aspx?guestaccesstok...

I moved channel width to 80mhz and was able to achieve a file copy speeds of 25 - 30 mbps vs 10 -15 mbps as before on 20 mhz. Iperf3 of 84 -100mbps.

If your saying those speeds are normal than I will focus my efforts elsewhere. Thanks

Hawkins__Bruce
Extreme Employee
More food for thought on this subject and comparing wired vs. wireless performance:

https://gtacknowledge.extremenetworks.com/articles/Solution/Wi-Fi-Performance-Megabits-per-second-vs...

JP4
New Contributor II
I would be curious to know more about your deployment also. I had a similar issue with some 2.4 only clients that showed up on 3825's but not 3935's. Basically attributed it to low end wifi cards, but would be interested to know more about your deployment.

GTM-P2G8KFN